How are/did the debateisland.com first tournament go?
I think they went decently. There were a few mess ups like when both sides were for on the stricter immigration debate.
I could either have the future pass me or l could create it.
“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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As far as voting, I have mixed thoughts on that. On one hand, I agree that stricter voting standards for tournaments is helpful. However, if you set very prescriptive standard than there will be endless objection about removing votes. I can see it both ways.
Totally agree on topic selection point.
I think it was the first tournament hosted and next tournament should take into consideration some of these improvements .
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First time it had been created with the wrong number of rounds (as had someone else's which I flagged at the same time).
The second time the topic was something like "I believe there should be no censorship of media" and I had to argue why there should be no censorship. I felt this was incredibly heavily biased against me as all my opponent had to do is provide one example of censorship that was acceptable - like "we shouldn't let people stream child pornography" or "we shouldn't let terrorists announce state secrets on TV" - and I had lost while to win i would have to successfully argue against every single form of censorship.
To my mind this is a poor topic as one person is being forced to defend very extreme positions and the burden of proof is very different for each side e.g. because the topic is against any and all censorship I would have had to win every point of my debate and argue against every form of censorship, my opponent would only have to win one point in their argument and prove a valid argument for one example of censorship even if I won and rebut the other 99 points they made. The topic should have been something like "This house believes that on the whole there should be less censorship" which allows both sides to argue moderate positions and which doesn't bias the requirements for victory against one side or the other.
At that point the topic got deleted remade again but as far as I was concerned I'd already conceded and I'd lost faith that the following rounds wouldn't have similar issues.
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I managed to read through one tournament debate, voted objectively and provided a concise and honest analysis.
Having to provide a more in depth and protracted analysis would deter me from voting on future tournaments.
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Stop voting on my debates with nonsense reasons.
The only person who voted worse than you in that debate was Cydharta because Cydharta votes based solely on her preformed opinion regarding the topic.
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Don't be so childish.
If you can't handle constructive criticism, then you are a poor debater.
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To be honest, you voted in his debate and said that there was too much information and you want it to be more personal. How do you have too much information in a debate?
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Their usernames is CYDdharta not CYDharta.
So what if he got your gender wrong. It was not disclosed before. Also from what I have seen from you voting, you vote from your opinion. My tournaments debate, you gave me 5 points and him 9 answer said it isn’t hard to argue that it is problem. Even though the international community thinks it is a problem. Then on his next debate you gave him very little points. Now I do not know your opinion but from what I have seen from your other debates, you have a conservative bias. Please explain the facts and assumptions.
Also, why was his previous statement about you being a bad voter, you marked it as a fallacy when it was not.
I am doing this from my 5s so if you need me to retype, I will do so.
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Also, on my tournament debate, it was actually harder for SomeOne to debate
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The United States federal government should adopt a carbon tax.
You: pro, Cyddharta con.
I promiss to provide a comprehensive and unbiased vote
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Actually, your debate was 7 to 5. You did nothing to persuade me, just regurgitated the same arguments and charts you used before on this forum with very little new information. I didn't find it persuasive the first time I saw it, I certainly didn't find it persuasive the next time you posted it (or the next). "Global warming" has conveniently defined itself in such a way that it cannot be disproven, yet its still not accurate enough to use for predictions. It also doesn't help that you rely, as you have here, on an Appeal to Authority fallacy.
As for the stricter enforcement debate; as I stated, Someone234 starts out attacking the questions posed in the original Vox article, then uses Vox multiple times in his replies. That makes no sense, thus 0 points for sources. And I didn't find his arguments persuasive in the least, thus 0 points there as well.
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Wouldn't that just lead to a debate on human-caused global warming/climate change (since carbon raises ph levels)
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@CYDdharta, are you game?
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I will take some time to properly format the first argument. It's 48 hour rounds to give both of us ample time to come up with rebuttals etc.
I want CYDdharta to agree with the title's wording first though.
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Very easily.
Swamping a debate with to much unnecessary referencing may seem a clever thing to do and is also a very easy thing to do, considering the amount of freely available information out there on the web.
Nonetheless, how I chose to vote was purely objective and honestly based on my personal appreciation of the given material.
If a debater cannot accept being voted against, then quite frankly they should not take part in a debate.
Inevitably, this sort of immature conduct will bring in to doubt, the credibility of tournament debating.
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Your vote was nonsense and you should have voting privileges removed for it.
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I honestly don't care whether I'm permitted to vote or not.
With such an immature approach to debating as yours. Why would I bother to vote.
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You must have been tired when you wrote this, because it does not make grammatical sense.
I think what you are trying to say is. You do not want me to vote on your debates, unless I vote in favour of you.
Because you obviously believe that you are superior to everyone else who participates on debateisland.com.
You also, clearly believe that you have an intellect that exceeds the necessity for scrutiny.
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If I had put a comma between any 'is' it would have been incorrect.
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I've used my ability to reason and debate to stop people committing suicide over instant messaging on sites you don't even know exist.
I am a hero of the finest order and a villain to the villains when I need to be as well.
Life is a journey and my ride has indeed led me to believe I'm superior to many. I'm a narcissist but a damn good one.
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
I friended myself!
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That was a fun initial tournament and I think it went well overall. There are a few things to consider for the next one - I will be signing up again.
1) 1 hour per round is too much of a commitment. Either 15 min blitz of 12 hours per round works better.
2) need to have better selection of topics that aren't easier for one side to win. Ideally, it would also be good to have opponents actually agree on topics/sides from a few choices.
3) there should be a discussion thread created that goes along with the tournament- like this one, where moderator and users can post updates and discuss issues.
4) There should be more strict voting rules articulated for the tournament. We had too much drama with some debate about votes. I don't think we need to demand detailed whiteflame-quality explanations, but at the same time some minimum explanation should be required.
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Good game indeed.
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do you also support 2 and 4?
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4? It wouldn't matter. Some posters here won't be satisfied with any explanations if it goes against their beliefs.
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Lol, you are a funny one. They are obviously forced to debate it, this entire tournament we were forced to debate topics we didn't have any say in.
As for your 'any reason for voting can be considered flawed' counter to point 4, this is childish.
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Given the limitations of the debate format. I think you and your opponent did well in putting together all that information.
I can assure you that my appreciation of the final debate was totally genuine.
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